MOON ROCKS FACES CLOSURE

DirtyChemist

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Because the enviro-Nazis want nothing to change, ever. These enviro-Nazis have enormous political clout and, as college professors, are brainwashing our future leaders. It is ironic that evolution is change and is the only reason we are here.
Weird. It's like the same mentality people have towards emission controls on vehicles. People don't want any new emission controls yet the change in emissions from one vehicle to the next is different and with more vehicles on the road comes more emissions.
 

maxamillion2345

Active member
True but they just don't have the resources or capital to manage all that land. To pay for management, they will sell off land and then most likely misuse the funds for things besides land management, then sell more land to get more capital and so on. Also, the tool that wrote the land transfer to the natives is a Republican from here so you just never know. Alot of BS goes on with the BLM but I believe they are still the best option considering the aforementioned issues with the state controlling the land.

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That's just not true and there have been multiple studies put forth by several different states and organizations to prove that point. Including several by Eureka county and one by the state of Nevada.
 

Dennis

Administrator
Staff member
Looking more at the map, it appears that Gatekeeper and Shakedown trails would now be on the Indian land.
 

IHKrawler

New member
BLM controlled lands should be turned over to Nevadans, not tribal control which amounts to them becoming a different country for practical purposes.
Unfortunately the state agency that is proposed to control that land in the event of a turnover has zero oversight and would sell that land off as they see fit, so we would lose access anyway. We need a better plan that prohibits this and also address the loss of PILT funds that rural towns depend on to operate.
 

RARECJ8

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Premium Member
Public lands sold to private interests. What could possibly go wrong? Can you say gate?
 

unreng

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Reply from NV-BLM:

We are not able to share these maps externally at this stage in the process. We recommend that you reach out to the offices of the Sponsors of the legislation for these maps. They would be able to share them, and it's not an unusual request for them to get.

Sorry for the inconvenience. Please let me know if there are additional questions. Thanks!

Allie Brandt
GIS Specialist
Branch of Geographic Sciences
U.S. Bureau of Land Management
Nevada State Office
1340 Financial Blvd., Reno, NV 89502
[email protected]
775.861.6419
 

maxamillion2345

Active member
Unfortunately the state agency that is proposed to control that land in the event of a turnover has zero oversight and would sell that land off as they see fit, so we would lose access anyway. We need a better plan that prohibits this and also address the loss of PILT funds that rural towns depend on to operate.
PILT? We almost didn't get PILT anyway...
 

CashMoney

I piss excellence.
Reply from NV-BLM:

We are not able to share these maps externally at this stage in the process. We recommend that you reach out to the offices of the Sponsors of the legislation for these maps. They would be able to share them, and it's not an unusual request for them to get.

Sorry for the inconvenience. Please let me know if there are additional questions. Thanks!

Allie Brandt
GIS Specialist
Branch of Geographic Sciences
U.S. Bureau of Land Management
Nevada State Office
1340 Financial Blvd., Reno, NV 89502
[email protected]
775.861.6419
Well that's scary. Hey we're going to give away your land but we can't tell you what land we're giving away.
 

BUILTnotBOUGHT

Active member
Unfortunately the state agency that is proposed to control that land in the event of a turnover has zero oversight and would sell that land off as they see fit, so we would lose access anyway. We need a better plan that prohibits this and also address the loss of PILT funds that rural towns depend on to operate.
But we actually have some pull over the state, the Feds have us by the balls. And the state doesn't assassinate protestors and round up buddy supporters. The .gov does what the fuck they please and answer to no one
 

BUILTnotBOUGHT

Active member
My other big concern about this, is that I live close to moon rocks and frankly I don't want the Indian res border any closer to my house. Next thing I know the res garbage, feral animals and undesirable people will be spilling over into my backyard.
 

IHKrawler

New member
But we actually have some pull over the state, the Feds have us by the balls. And the state doesn't assassinate protestors and round up buddy supporters. The .gov does what the fuck they please and answer to no one
I hear what you are saying and fully support the state taking back the land, I just want to see a better plan that guarantees our continued access with an entity that has rules and oversight managing those lands, so they stay public. Sandoval showed us how much the wants of the people mean to our state politicians, not a damn thing.
 

rlmjr58

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But we actually have some pull over the state, the Feds have us by the balls. And the state doesn't assassinate protestors and round up buddy supporters. The .gov does what the fuck they please and answer to no one
If by rounding up buddy supporters you mean the arrest of people who openly broke the law, then they should expect it. I have seen many protesters for any number of causes get arrested and expected to thus bringing additional attention to the cause they were putting forth. If it works or not in many cases is hard to judge. Who was assassinated? If you refer to the guy running a roadblock, yelling threats, I tend to think yelling to police that your blood will be on their hands as an intimation that you are not going down without inciting some form of violence, then jumping out of you stuck vehicle and apparently going for a weapon as bring on your own death and as maybe your own fault.
More pull on state officials? Can't really say I've seen that work that great either.
 

BUILTnotBOUGHT

Active member
If by rounding up buddy supporters you mean the arrest of people who openly broke the law, then they should expect it. I have seen many protesters for any number of causes get arrested and expected to thus bringing additional attention to the cause they were putting forth. If it works or not in many cases is hard to judge. Who was assassinated? If you refer to the guy running a roadblock, yelling threats, I tend to think yelling to police that your blood will be on their hands as an intimation that you are not going down without inciting some form of violence, then jumping out of you stuck vehicle and apparently going for a weapon as bring on your own death and as maybe your own fault.
More pull on state officials? Can't really say I've seen that work that great either.
If that's what you think really happened your a sheeple. Multiple videos paint a much different picture imo, considering shots were being fired at him and hitting him in the stomach before he "reached for a weapon" and was shot in the back of the head by Oregon state patrol hiding in the woods
 

Dennis

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Staff member
If by rounding up buddy supporters you mean the arrest of people who openly broke the law, then they should expect it. I have seen many protesters for any number of causes get arrested and expected to thus bringing additional attention to the cause they were putting forth. If it works or not in many cases is hard to judge. Who was assassinated? If you refer to the guy running a roadblock, yelling threats, I tend to think yelling to police that your blood will be on their hands as an intimation that you are not going down without inciting some form of violence, then jumping out of you stuck vehicle and apparently going for a weapon as bring on your own death and as maybe your own fault.
More pull on state officials? Can't really say I've seen that work that great either.
Too bad you weren't around during the revolutionary war, to tell those "founding fathers" that they were breaking the law and might get arrested and stuff.. ;)
 

rlmjr58

New member
Too bad you weren't around during the revolutionary war, to tell those "founding fathers" that they were breaking the law and might get arrested and stuff.. ;)
I think they knew that they could get arrested and probably be hanged. The difference is they accepted that as a possibility and didn't flinch, whining that they would give up if they could go home without Being arrested.
 

rlmjr58

New member
If that's what you think really happened your a sheeple. Multiple videos paint a much different picture imo, considering shots were being fired at him and hitting him in the stomach before he "reached for a weapon" and was shot in the back of the head by Oregon state patrol hiding in the woods
I guess that that there are videos that I haven't seen as the ones I have paint a different picture to me. And although we seem to be hijacking this thread (apologies to th op) perhaps you could start another thread with links to this opposing videos? My opinion might be changed as I only saw the ones from the police and the footage from the vehicle. I did not say anything about the protesters and/or their right to protest but the seeming unwillingness to accept the probable consequences to the route they chose. As I stated they took a course that they could have reasonably expected arrest. They then chose actions with another reasonably predictable ending. I am not saying I condone the results especially ending in the death of any person on either side. Hmmm, sheeple? Well if you knew me you would perhaps have a different opinion, but you do have a right to your opinion just like everyone else... One thing I am not is a lemming.
 

j03_tj

New member
Not sure of the details. If it's the Pyramid Lake tribe and they get their hands on the moonrocks, there is a good chance they will close it to the public one day. They closed some of the north and east beaches of pyramid over the last few years due to asshats spray painting the rocks, and everyone knows that eventually spray paint finds its way to the MRs.


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unreng

New member
Enjoy Moon Rocks while it's still available, because the countdown clock's ticking.

This reminds me of Bill Paxton in Aliens...


Which go me thinking - what're a US Senator's job requirements - http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/14/qualifications-for-senators

And checking Nevada residency law - http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Division/Research/Publications/Factsheets/Residency.pdf - does Reid legally maintain Nevada residency?

June 3, 2016 Reid response:

Thank you for contacting me about the Nevada Native Nations Land Act. I appreciate hearing from you.

Before the Silver State was settled by pioneers, prospectors, and entrepreneurs, Nevada has always been home for generations of Washoe, Western Shoshone, and Paiute people. These first Nevadans have long been a voice for protecting our wild landscapes and enriching our state through their language and cultural heritage. I take the many obligations of the United States to tribal nations seriously. As Nevada’s senior senator and a former member of the Indian Affairs Committee, I have worked hard to help restore lands to Indian tribes in Nevada and throughout the country.

As you may know, I reintroduced the Senate version of the Nevada Native Nations Land Act (S. 1436) on May 21, 2015. This bill, which is identical to the House version (H.R. 2733), would transfer more than 70,000 acres of federally managed land into trust for six Nevada tribes, including the Fort McDermitt Paiute and Shoshone Tribe, the Duck Valley Shoshone Paiute Tribe, the Summit Lake Paiute Tribe, the Reno-Sparks Indian Colony, the Pyramid Lake Paiute Tribe, and the Duckwater Shoshone Tribe. Land is lifeblood to Native Americans, and the lands that would be held in trust for the tribes would allow them to build housing for their members, preserve their cultural heritage and traditions, and provide opportunities for economic development. On April 15, 2016, the Senate passed S. 1436 by unanimous consent.

I understand your concerns regarding this land transfer and its potential impact on public land that is enjoyed by Nevadans. I will continue to work with tribes and outdoor enthusiasts to best find solutions to land use questions. For instance, you may be interested to learn that I am working with the Reno-Sparks Indian Colony as well as other members of the Nevada congressional delegation to explore different options for preserving access to the Moon Rocks off-highway vehicle area from populated parts of Washoe County, including the possibility of a road easement for off-road vehicle enthusiasts through the new reservation boundaries. Please be assured that I will continue to promote sensible policies that enhance and protect the multi-use values of our public lands while fighting to uphold the United States’ unique trust responsibility to protect and support Indian tribes and Indian people.

Again, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with me. I look forward to hearing from you in the near future.

My best wishes to you.

Sincerely,

HARRY REID
United States Senator

HR:MH
 
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