What would make you come out to a Rock Crawling event?

Reeves

Member
Competitors will come of there are more spectators, spectators will come if there are more competitors. It's a chicken/egg scenario.
I understand what you mean, but it's up to promoters to put together a show, price it right, promote it and bring in both. Agreed with pretty much all other comments here. Especially having too many events and costing too much.

I said this in the last thread we had like this, merging the events and pooling resources is the way to survive. How many foot ball, baseball or basketball leagues are there? And how many were there in the 60-70's?

I would also look for sponsors to help cover over head, in hopes to reduce ticket cost.
 
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Reeves

Member
Seems like lower cost and larger crowds would be better for the long term growth of the sport though.

Also they don't seem well publicized. I have to dig to find out when/where the events are.
Couldn't agree more. Seems if they invested in that front page Ad space here, top right on home page, they'd get great exposure. Discounts for members with banners on their windshields?
 

BIG BLUE

New member
Cost is a pretty big factor. Sands brought in a bunch and even that little challenge at the nugget brought in a bunch of rigs.
 

69cj5

Active member
The events are not advertised very well. Unless someone on this site points it out I have no idea they are happening. Natural courses are way better, but again these are even worse for advertisement. The courses at the sands etc don't interest me that much. Just seems to be more of a marketing thing with the casino rather than a race.

For instance I stumbled across a moon rocks event maybe 7 years ago and have wanted to go back since, but I have never found an official event out there since. The unofficial ones are not generally family friendly so we stay away.
 

BIG BLUE

New member
The events are not advertised very well. Unless someone on this site points it out I have no idea they are happening. Natural courses are way better, but again these are even worse for advertisement. The courses at the sands etc don't interest me that much. Just seems to be more of a marketing thing with the casino rather than a race.

For instance I stumbled across a moon rocks event maybe 7 years ago and have wanted to go back since, but I have never found an official event out there since. The unofficial ones are not generally family friendly so we stay away.
sad thing is that the blm isn't very friendly with rockcrawlers. I have tried on several different occasions to get an official run for TRG but they had so many bells and whistles and the cost was also prohibitive. Advertising would help but also raises the cost. The fact that their are three separate sanctions doing basically the same thing hurts more than it helps. Spreads out a limited competitor field. Rockcrawling has been around for a while and has gone thru several periods of expansion as well as shrinkage. Only time will tell. As with all sports economy is a major limiting factor. The courses have gotten pretty extreme and the equipment to be competitive has gotten rather costly.
 

ManNamedJed

Active member
Maybe they need to merge with some other events to draw bigger crowds and combine resources. Is there a motorcycle trails club that could have an event along with the rockcrawlers? Seems like those would be pretty compatible. What about a UTV race?
 

BUILTnotBOUGHT

Active member
Highly doubt it. The desert races normally hate the rock crawlers because they "destroy there trails" it would be a miracle if you could get mrann or any club to condone it. Why not try private natural land? Honey lake MX has a few gnarly washes that would be a show to watch
 

jfrey123

Well-known member
I'm pretty much an amateur in relation to these events, but I always enjoy watching what I find on youtube. I think the biggest factors not bringing me out are lack of advertising and the distance. I don't know where to look for info on the events, most of the time I only know there is one because I see a FB update from GO4X4IT. I could obviously dig and find the info, but most of the time I see the events are a couple hours away and I don't feel like driving that far. Anyway, my layman's thoughts.
 

MUDSLUT

New member
I think one issue might be that most potential spectators also have some kind of off road rig. Most of us would rather be wheeling than watching. If my friends are going out on the trail on the day of a scheduled rock crawling event, I'm going wheeling! I've been pounding the rocks for 40 yrs and I'd still rather be doing than watching.
 

69cj5

Active member
Maybe they need to merge with some other events to draw bigger crowds and combine resources. Is there a motorcycle trails club that could have an event along with the rockcrawlers? Seems like those would be pretty compatible. What about a UTV race?
Not sure about a UTV race, but trials bikes seem pretty compatible. Have always wanted to go see them as well...never have for similar reasons.

I guess, bottom line, to me this is much like motocross or any of the other types of racing. It is great fun, but getting enough people to pay to see the action to actually make some sort of a purse for contestants is a whole different thing. For that, there needs to be a substantially bigger draw. Similar to the racing events this weekend. I would imagine there will be a decent draw for that. Much of a step down from that though, you either need to have something going on every weekend somewhere or have big advertizements along with big time names show up to draw crowds.
 

Special K

New member
Maybe they need to merge with some other events to draw bigger crowds and combine resources. Is there a motorcycle trails club that could have an event along with the rockcrawlers? Seems like those would be pretty compatible. What about a UTV race?
bingo! the other event doesn't even need to be OHV related.....put a damn craft fair out there, and a jump house, and every guy on here will be able to justify the cost and drive to his wife and kids. Little music, good vendors, and you've just quadrupled your turnout

I also agree with promoters not really 'promoting' the races.....I work directly with a lot of competitors, and still don't really know when they are racing, unless they flat out tell me "i've got a race tomorrow, can you hurry up with my stuff", or I happen to see it posted on the front door to Napa or something.
 

SaturnICL

New member
Events and drivers like these bring crowds by the tens of thousands!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ahbjfTBwFo


This is what has made King of the hammers and the races in the south so popular. While watching someone in an unlimited make an awesomely technical climb is cool to those that know what to recognize. It does not bring the excitement that will draw 20000 or more people.
 

Battlecock

Active member
That is fun to watch but I prefer to see rockcrawling, especially seeing that douche Robby Gordon fail at it racing the hammers last year.
I am hardly a RG fan but, Robby did very well in qualifying for the hammers. What let go was the high mileage LS1 that was put in the TTB car after JT blew up the good engine. The LS1 engine in the TTB car came out of Torchmates pro mod rock buggy, which already had 100k on it when it went into the pro mod buggy. RG barely had the TTB car a week before KOH, and they said there simply wasn't enough time to swap motors/computer/harness, and get it dialed before qualifying (i still think they could have done it). RG did however make the final decision to go with the old LS1 instead of trying to cram a new engine combo into the car. So in my opinion, the only place he failed was in keeping the stock crapper engine in the car.
 

IHKrawler

New member
I am hardly a RG fan but, Robby did very well in qualifying for the hammers. What let go was the high mileage LS1 that was put in the TTB car after JT blew up the good engine. The LS1 engine in the TTB car came out of Torchmates pro mod rock buggy, which already had 100k on it when it went into the pro mod buggy. RG barely had the TTB car a week before KOH, and they said there simply wasn't enough time to swap motors/computer/harness, and get it dialed before qualifying (i still think they could have done it). RG did however make the final decision to go with the old LS1 instead of trying to cram a new engine combo into the car. So in my opinion, the only place he failed was in keeping the stock crapper engine in the car.
I am not concerned with why, just happy to see him not finish. He is an arrogant douche and at times causes danger to other racers and spectators by not following course rules about recovering his car, because he thinks rules don't apply to him. I have to say a better part of people I have met named Rob suck and he is just another.
 
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